this may be the wrong section
But...
I was reading some where that catholic religion is against it.
But whatever not really the point of this thread.

Whole idea
Do you think lucid dreaming and having the ablity to control your dreams is good?
Or do you think its improper, that dreams should not be controlled?
Do you think its wrong that with lucid dreaming you also can gain the ability to share a dream with another?

After this thread gets some replies ill post my view.
But as some can probably tell im very for lucid dreaming i love it.

I don't understand how anyone could be anti-lucid dreaming... (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

From my knowledge, Catholicism doesn't have anything against lucid dreaming itself, but there are some Catholics who are against sinning during lucid dreams. This seems ridiculous to me because even in lucid dreams, you are not in complete control of what you are doing, thus unaware of your sins.

Dreams fascinate me, as do the chemicals associated with them including DMT and mugwort. I don't think there is anything ethically wrong with controlling a dream or being aware that you are in a dream. If anything, it's a positive experience and may boost understanding of what's going on inside your head.

And people share dreams whether they are lucid or not (ie falling dreams, going to school naked, etc) so I don't really see its importance... I've never really thought of dreaming as something sacred.

i know people that have shared dreams in their sleep tho.

I assume you mean that the Catholic Church does not believe that it actually happens. It's not something they can really be "against". Whether they do or not, the Catholic church has been wrong before. The Earth is round, not flat. Lucid dreaming does happen.

Sorry, off-topic.

sharing dreams in that sense is coincidence (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

lol no it has to do with it. And yea thats more what i meant. I dunno exactly it was weird i was just at school and the priest was there and i was tlakin to my friend about lucid dreaming and the priest was like "the church doesnt support lucid dreaming son"

meh i dunno havent tried it yet.
Just one of my friends and his girlfriend according to them shared a dream.
Like they both went to sleep together and had a dream together.

personally i don't see what harm can be done. i've only heard positive things about it, and i guess for laymen like us we can just consider it as something interesting and fun to do when you're bored when you wake up

personally i think the catholic church's "stance" "against" lucid dreaming is like platforms in politics: in order to uphold a specific image, it has to conform to a certain set of rules that "defines" the institution/ group. since "lucid dreaming" is considered somewhat of a new-age/ hippie thing. so it really doesn't matter if the issue is right/wrong/productive/destructive, as long as it "supports the identity." any undermining and questioning of this identity (i.e. the catholic church =/= new age ideals) undermines the church's perceived authority.

what i CAN see lucid dreaming as being harmful to the catholic church, is that besides just gaining control of your dreams, one of the radical driving ideas behind it is very matrix-like: the reality as we know it is a dream, and that other "dreamlike" worlds are actually more real than this one, OR lucid dreaming is a way to realize that we are in a dreamlike trance in our day-to-day lives. i think this idea came from the hopi or tibetan spiritual teachings.

now THIS is an idea that definitely can undermine the church's ideas. i don't know whether or not your priest sees it as simply an authority "we are this and they are that" thing or actually against the "matrix-like" implications of lucid dreaming.

if you've seen a movie called "waking life", it's about a lucid dream that is very surreal and hallucinogenic.

so tying the last 2 points together, lucid dreaming--along with hallucinogens and the psychedelic experience-- implies that we do not know all we think we know about reality, and that there are other realities to explore (this is my interpretation).

i'm sure the church or any other institution that is founded upon the beliefs that this the the only reality will not support the implications of lucid dreaming, or hallucinogens in general.

maybe you can look for a correlation: views that are anti-psychedelic are also anti-lucid dreaming. i would not imagine that new-agers and psychonauts and recreational trippers would be against the idea of lucid dreaming. they'd understand the concept quite intuitively in fact.

I would like to valid objections against lucid dreaming. My simple answer is: they are your dreams, your brain's fabrications, and you should be able to do what you wish with them.

there are so many things in the world we don't know about, and so many things we don't know about our minds, that we really can't say that such phenomenon as telekinesis or telepathy are impossible

but i don't think it's "wrong" at all. to truly share thoughts with someone, to truly share consciousness with someone, that is true understanding and true love. "love is consciousness".

personally i think the idea of "sharing dreams", or "sharing consciousness" is one form of the mystical union that many spiritual paths strive for. many alternative teachings imply that we are all connected, we are all part of The Source (and the christian and catholic religions also say this too in another way). Alex Grey explains this in his paintings "The Sacred Mirrors." We all have a spiritual component that is part of a greater being.

in this context it not only makes sense that such conscious connection is possible, but is rather, a wholesome, mystical experience. it certainly is not a "bad" thing to happen.