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Jul 1 2008, 08:42 PM
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We studied all of these in psychology. During that series of stuff, I decided that the one thing I never want to do is be considered one of the "bystanders" in the "bystander effect."
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Jul 2 2008, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE During the conversation, one of the members would fake an epileptic seizure, which could be heard on the speakers. We're not completely sure how they conveyed over the intercom that what was happening was a seizure, but we're assuming the words "Wow this is quite an epileptic seizure I'm having" were uttered. QUOTE Well, they weren't done. When the experiment was altered so that subjects believed four other people were in the discussion, only 31 percent went to look for help once the seizure began. The rest assumed someone else would take care of it. So the phrase, "The more, the merrier" somehow got lost in translation because the correct expression should be, "The more, the higher probability that you will die if you have a seizure." QUOTE Many subjects began to feel uncomfortable after a certain point, and questioned continuing the experiment. However, each time the guy in the lab coat encouraged them to continue. Most of them did, upping the voltage, delivering shock after shock while the victim screamed. Many subjects would laugh nervously, because laughter is the best medicine when pumping electrical currents through another person's body. QUOTE Almost 80 percent. Think about that when you're walking around the mall: Eight out of ten of those people you see would torture the shit out of a puppy if a dude in a lab coat asked them to. All of these made me laugh so hard. ( how it was said, not what it is describing ) The sad fact: It's true. I see it every day around here. As long as you're not doing anything wrong, nothing bad will happen to you. See someone in help? Do you know them? No? THEN TOO BAD FOR THEM. Most of these experiments are commonly seen by most of us and it's pretty sad to know that.
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Jul 2 2008, 11:07 AM
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How well-dressed someone is and how attractive a person is also has a huge impact on how willing others are to help.
In psychology class, I saw an experiment where two women (one hot, one not) were pretending to be carrying heavy suitcases up a flight of stairs in the same mall, where the person per area density was the same for both women. The hotter woman, who was dressed in a short skirt revealing her legs strategically, got help in about 20 or maybe it was 30 seconds by multiple men. One guy even gave her a few dollars for her to book a cab. For the other woman, it took a good five minutes or something before even one man wanted to help her.
In the other experiment, a psychologist dressed up like a homeless man, sat on the sideway and moaned for help. No one stopped at all. Later on, when he tried the experiment dressed up in a full business suit attire, several people walked up to him and addressed him formally with phrases like: "Sir, are you alright?"
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Also, if you want help in a crowded area, don't shout for help. That's useless. Address one person specifically, saying "Hey, you with the black hat and shiny shoes, call 911!" It is better if you know the person's name - that really gets them. Make them take the responsibility themselves instead of passing it off to the other 20 people in the area. Of course, if you are a girl, it always helps to look nice that day, maybe putting on some tight short skirts. Some guys out there will always be willing to help, even if it means that they are going to be tools for the girl (like the guy who gave the chick a few dollars just because she was hot). If you're a guy, maybe having Cleric-size biceps or Rai-styled hair helps - I don't know...no idea what works for guys. Maybe wear a suit, I guess?
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Jul 2 2008, 12:13 PM
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Known about all of these experiments thanks to Aden's psych books....digusts me every time I read and hear about them. As if I hadn't already lost all hope and thought humnity was dumb.
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Jul 2 2008, 02:45 PM
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And thus, cynicism was born because the vast majority of people out there hide under one form of bullshit conformism or another. Whoo-hoooo! (And it's true-- active non-conformists are also conforming. To a non-conformist 'standard'. See: high school. Bah.)
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Jul 2 2008, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (Lira @ Jul 2 2008, 03:45 PM)  active non-conformists are also conforming. To a non-conformist 'standard'. See: high school. absolutely true. all of the "outsiders" look exactly alike, act the same, listen to the same music, and complain about the same stuff. (IMG: http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) nice.
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Jul 2 2008, 07:16 PM
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The Asch Conformity Experiment
I don't give a shit about conformity for the most part if what I think is right. I've broken from the ranks on multiple occasions where everyone was in the different group. I stood by it. Americans in particular, are worse than sheep.
There's also that "line effect," where people will stand in a line, without asking questions and without knowing what the line is for. I've observed that multiple times in real life.
The Good Samaritan Experiment Actions speak louder than words. That's all I can say about that. No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.
Bystander Apathy Experiment No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.
The Stanford Prison Experiment If you give someone authority over others, but there is no accountability, then there's no reason for any limits. If they don't get punished for wrong doing, fear of doing wrong. This administration is a perfect example. Congress has been a lame duck since 2000, the administration regularly violates not only domestic laws, foreign laws and international laws, but basic human rights as well.
The Milgram Experiment If you indoctrinate children from a young age to blindlessly listen to authority and then you expect them to rebel against that authority in a situation that is morally wrong? That's a bit shortsighted and ignorant wouldn't you say? If they're raised with "Listen to the authority figure all the time, they are always right," what in their right mind would lead them to think they'd do otherwise when faced with a situation like genocide?
I question authority. I rebel against authority. I fight authority. I do not follow blindly.
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Jul 2 2008, 07:32 PM
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Lol the line effect is hilarious sometimes. I've witnessed it, too.
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