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 Butterfly Weave terminology, And some more general stuff |
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 Aug 14 2008, 02:54 PM
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Regular weaves basically come in two versions- forward, and reverse. There's the same sort of thing going on with butterfly weaves, but it doesn't really make sense to me to try to use that same terminology since a butterfly weave switches butterfly directions on each side. Furthermore, butterfly weaves have another distinction- either direction can be done by crossing over (forward weave hand motions) or crossing under (reverse weave hand motions). So, a few questions. First, what do we call the two different directions of butterfly weaves? Second, there's that difference in hand motions that doesn't really make any difference in how the pattern looks. Lots of other moves have the same sort of variations- all of the even-beat weaves, for example, or odd-beat corkscrews. Regarding terminology, what do we call those different version? Flavors, perhaps? Regarding... I dunno what, how important do you think it is to learn all of the different variations? Theoretically, I think it's useful to expand transition options and just improve your coordination in general, but now I can't really think of any particular time when I've been forced to use one flavor of a move over another for smooth transitioning.
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Aug 14 2008, 03:28 PM
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Go with what sort of butterfly you're doing when it's in front of you. That's what I do, at least.
People say you should learn things in reverse, but I don't find move ambidexterity to be necessary with a lot of more difficult moves.
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Aug 14 2008, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (FlowRate @ Aug 14 2008, 07:28 PM)  Go with what sort of butterfly you're doing when it's in front of you. That's what I do, at least. That only works with wallplanes. With sideplane weaves, it never is in front of you.
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Aug 14 2008, 07:56 PM
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Oh, you still face sideways. Most stringers do things "wallplane" (even though wallplane is technically incorrect... afaik)
In that case, it doesn't matter anyway. Go with the direction your hands are weaving (fwd/rvs weave movements)
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Aug 14 2008, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (FlowRate @ Aug 14 2008, 11:56 PM) Oh, you still face sideways. Most stringers do things "wallplane" (even though wallplane is technically incorrect... afaik) I do both. They're different patterns, used in different places. QUOTE In that case, it doesn't matter anyway. Go with the direction your hands are weaving (fwd/rvs weave movements) Er, well, that's kinda the whole point of the question. Fwd/rvs hand movements don't make any difference to the pattern. You can do either butterfly weave direction with either set of hand movements, because the butterfly patterns switches directions between each side of the weave.
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Aug 15 2008, 05:54 PM
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As far as I've heard/seen/done the forward has your poi rotating in a direction such that if you had someone looking from the side they would see them spinning in a motion that if it were like a tire on the road, you would be going the direction you are facing. Reverse is the opposite.
From what you were saying about the hand movement, it seems to me to depend on how long you're staying at each side. I just tried to observe myself while doing fwd/rvs 2, 3 and 5 beats.
fwd/rvs 2 beat keeps the same hand crossing on top but can be either hand. Just personal preference? I haven't heard of a distinction between either hand setup.
fwd/rvs 3 & 5 beat switch leading hands on either side. But as an odd beat there is a certain leading hand for each movement from right to left and left to right.
As you stated in the beginning with even-beat weaves the hand movements can be either right over or left over. I've never heard of a name for the difference though. Seems most naming convention is worried about the direction the poi is spinning since that is what most commonly stays the same and is the big "requirement" in turning and moving. Both hand movements are important though, as you suggested, since the more you can do the more coordination and more options you'll have.
In comfort comes fluidity.
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Aug 15 2008, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (FlowRate @ Aug 14 2008, 10:56 PM) Oh, you still face sideways. Most stringers do things "wallplane" (even though wallplane is technically incorrect... afaik)
In that case, it doesn't matter anyway. Go with the direction your hands are weaving (fwd/rvs weave movements) explain what you mean by wallplane is incorrect.
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Aug 15 2008, 06:33 PM
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i dunno if its of topic but i just got the behind the back side weave thingy.. and im so stoked.. what is the name of that move??
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Aug 15 2008, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (Cleric @ Aug 15 2008, 07:24 PM) explain what you mean by wallplane is incorrect. Edit: I guess I was wrong, though wallplane names no sense in terms of name. Front/back and left/right make a LOT more sense.
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Aug 15 2008, 09:15 PM
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Agrees that less naming is better*
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