Your thoughts on it?
Should DMT be legalized or not?

personally i cant see why not.
its natural. eveyrone single person in the world has had it since they were born every night when they go to sleep.
and yet still its illegal in both the US and canada.

in europe its been used to treat alcoholics and drug abusers.
yet still in US and canada it wont be legalized.

why not?

i for some reaosn feel its because of how it is to the mind. it really does 'open your third eye to life' and youll never look at things the same again.
so is it perhaps because the government feels that it will cause people to stand up and rebell the gov't?

i also need to do a gym assignment on this on whether it should be legalized or not so yea...thoughts from people perhaps. i feel it should and i need to list negative and positive points to it.

i only have one negative...if people do it while driving...well yea kinda screwed it is a VERY powerful hallucinogen.
but other than that i dont see any problems its amazing. and really makes you appriciate life

maybe some will remember about 2-3 weeks ago i had a thread in therapy central about wanting to die/kill myself.

Same reason why LSD is illegal.
It is a powerful, mind altering hallucinogen with a high potential for abuse,
with little to no recognized medical usage.

You could ask the same question about Ibogaine and several other drugs.
The government cannot have it's people exploring new parts of the human psyche.
Atleast not without them getting there first so they can set up a method of control.

It won't, though I don't feel anyone has the right to say it shouldn't, be legalized. The simple but horrible fact is that most people are to stupid to know how to control themselves with their mind altered that much.

In the past when ancient cultures used hallucinogens there was a very strict taboo set around them. Only the medicine man or spiritual healer would be allowed to take the substance to gain a clear light of understanding and gain insight that could help the tribe. Members of the tribe that were allowed to partake in the substances always did so under guidance from one of these authoritative people.

In todays society there is no tribe and taboo's are casually cast aside and caution thrown to the wind. The ancients didn't do it to "get fucked up", they did it for spiritual cleansing and insight. Most people today just do it to get fucked up. Not only that, the environment or state of mind they do it in can be a deciding factor in whether they hurt themselves or not.

Do I believe the government has the right to tell us what we can put in our bodies? No, absolutely not. But just imagine what it would be like if they didn't. Suicide rates would go up. Accident and overdose deaths would go up. And lets not forget the people who get chronically addicted, even to things that technically aren't addicting. Then there's the people who's minds just aren't strong enough to handle it, and on top of that the ones that have underlying schizophrenia that hasn't yet shown itself.

Just one trip on a hallucinogenic substance can be all it takes to push someone with a normal functioning mind into a schizophrenic state if they were already prone to it, had a history of it in their family, or it was genetically scheduled to happen to them at a later date in life. With no way to know who this might happen to, legalizing these drugs would be like playing russian roulette with peoples minds.

I agree with that very well written argument, Ph0ton. As a side note, I believe Darwinism would take care of the rest.

This is pretty much what I think as well.

I believe it's that they don't want people to realize there's more to life than being a zombie at work from 9-5, followed by being hypnotized by a box in the corner of the room until they go to sleep every night. They'd rather keep the masses dumbed down and limited only to the physical perception of reality.
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Hear hear.

Here is a quote from Ken Kesey concerning LSD:


That pretty much sums up why the people who run the world fear the mind-opening effects of hallucinogens. It is much easier to control people when they all think alike.
Its all just method of control.

I agreed with your post up until there. Honestly, the government does not have to take a neutral or even offensive stance with the recreational use of substances considered dangerous. If anything, the mature thing to do would be to educate people. Educate people as to the side-effects, risks, etc. and let them make a mature decision on their own under supervision. The government doesn't have to be "my way or the high-way" about it. In my opinion it just comes down to making fully-informed decisions, which is rare, as the information is too often hidden or hyped depending on the information controllers personal agenda.

It should be legalized. It has no harmful effects, it is completely natural, and has made heroin addicts quit after using just once. However, the downside? Possibly anarchy.

Educating people one way or another wouldn't make a difference. One prime example to this is alcohol. In health class and even in general media, weather it be propaganda or even flat out bare bones fact, we learned that alcohol (to the normal person) affects the way people perceive things and their reactions are delayed we were educated as to not drink and drive because there is a high possibility of not only death to you but also to others. So people know they have been educated but why is it that countless times INNOCENT people have been killed by the so called "mature decision" that a person chose to drink and get behind a wheel.

The government is not concerned about you as a person they are concerned about the community as a whole. They care about their well being and that is why there are restrictions and outlaws etc. etc. etc.

Who is to say it has no harmful effects?
You don't know what chronic abuse could do to your body or mind.
Everyone reacts differently to every substance.
The human mind is a powerul thing, and this is a very powerful hallucinogen.
Strong hallucinogens tend to tear apart the foundations
and driving principles which make modern society function.

I agree that drugs like this do have some medical usage, mainly in psychology.
However, in order for that "medicine" to function properly,
it must be administered by a qualified psychologist and in a controlled setting.

I don't think anarchy would be a downside, nor would it be caused by people doing DMT. The downside of legalizing it would be people doing it just because it's legal. What you said about heroin addicts quitting after doing DMT may be true, but isn't that more like methadone or benzedrine? Two drugs on two completely different sides of some spectrum there, dood.

see thats another stupid reason i cant see why DMT is in subject II form of controlled substances.

IT IS NOT ADDICTIVE.
and ok high potential?
WHO CARES? you know how many over the counter drugs are addictive? vicodin, advil, tobacco, alcohol, morphine. SO MANY drugs that are pushed by the governemtn are highly addictive, and have a high potential for abuse.

and medical uses? What are you talking about. in south america there are plenty of ways it is used.
used for heroin addicts, alcoholics, depression, post tramtic stress disorder.

its used for many things. may not be the cure for cancer but for addictions and mental illnesses its definitely useful.
not only that so many cultures have used it for so many years..3


anarchy? NO WAY. honestly see this is the biggest problem. so many wrong stereo types of hallucinogens.

if anything it reverses anarchy.
i used to somewaht be an anarchist. after DMT. im not. honestly it makes you appreiciate everything so much more.



chronic abuse?
its been used for thousands of years from many different cultures with no negative cases.
human body not accept it?
ITS IN ALL OF US RIGHT NOW.

see this is one of those things...HOW can you make it illegal its in all of us. we all use it. its natural. you dont understand how intense this is. IT is nothing like other hallucinogens.

Ok i said RECOGNIZED medical use. As in recognized by the US government and the general modern medical community. Not amazon tribes drinking Ayahuasca. And High potential for abuse translates to "some people will do it more often than they probably should". And like i said previously, its difficult to predict the effects of chronic use, regardless of it being a naturally occurring substance. Dopamine is found naturally in the brain, too much of that and you're a schizophrenic. You say "how can you make it illegal if it is in all of us?". Well what about adrenaline? Adrenaline is in your body at all times, should we bottle that up and sell it to the public? Of course not, that would be a disaster. Same thing with dopamine, serotonin, and several other neurotransmitters and hormones. Your body uses these substances when it needs them. Abuse is abuse, and it is always detrimental in the long-run. And yes i do understand how intense it is, I've done it a few times, and it is by no means something to be taken lightly. Don't get me wrong, i see where you are coming from, and i think it could be used as a medical tool in psychology cases, But i feel as if u are missing the bigger picture. Society as a whole cannot function with powerful hallucinogens being legal. Most people cannot handle it. And this is why it is illegal.

Cannabinoids are in all of us too man, yet Marijuana is still illegal. So to say something is in us as a reason why it should be legal is kind of an odd argument. Yes, it's in us, but only a certain amount.

While I understand your concern and drive to push the notion of legalizing hallucinogens, it's clear not many people share your view. This is why it's still not legalized. The people who might have highly respected positions in society and try to push this get shot down and criticized for even thinking about this kind of thing, so it's kind of a dead end road there.

I feel that these kind of things (though I'm not a user of any of them) do in fact open the doors to different realities which we should explore. But you see, society has been entranced far too long to even begin to understand the other side of the spectrum. In majority of people's minds, what they see, hear, smell, taste, and touch is all there is and even the basic thought of reality being something more is completely absurd. Like I said, I get where you're coming from man, but it's kind of a dead end in most aspects.

I apologize if I'm wrong, but as far as I can see isn't DMT just a more powerful Salvia? If it is, then why shouldn't it be legalized, I mean Salvia's legal, shouldn't DMT be? It's one of the drugs that's been on my to research list.

Pretty sure Salvia is slowly being pushed to be made illegal. I'll shuffle around the internet and try to find an article or two.

I've seen that it's slowly becoming illegal in more and more states, but isn't that a little strange? Salvia is slowly becoming illegal as marijuana is slowly becoming legal, medical yes but legal nonetheless. I doubt there's any ties between the two, but it's interesting.

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recognized?
its not just in amazon tribes that use it.
amsterdam uses it.
many european countries use it.


...meh not really
its more a positive trip
salvia is usually a bad one.

as well salvia is legal ONLY by perscription...atleast here in canada.
its a very different trip.