QUOTE (GlowingGreenBooBoos @ Jul 4 2009, 08:42 PM)

you know what i mean right?
yup yup.
For the Spiral, I learned it first from a weave like you said you have, now when you do it just turn your feet and face it. Now if you're looking for another way to get into it other than a weave, well, that all depends on what else you can do directly in front of you(ie. Arm wraps and fountains)
You can either do a link catch or a thumb split for the type of orbital you're talking about. When I was first starting out I got a better spin(momentum) by tossing them tot he opposite forearm, let them wrap, and then pull.