i recently watched Planet B-Boy, a bboying documentary, and it had something relating to this topic. (highly recommended by the way).

B-Boying borrows moves from a lot of different dances, like kung fu, james brown, etc. but what makes it bboying is when you add the bboy flavor to it.

i think that makes sense and would like to apply that to glowstringing and poi. meaning that when you do a flower or a weave, if you add glowstringing flavor to it, that's when you make it into glowstringing.

how do you guys think one can go about adding "glowstringing flavor" when doing moves borrowed from poi? discuss!

Back to the glowstringing vs poi discussion? If you're doing poi with anything other than glowsticks you're doing poi. If you're doing it with glowsticks you're glowstringing. Besides, what would be glowstringing flavor anyways? I never understood people's obsession with calling it "flavor" when it should really be something else, like maybe style.

I pretty much agree with Opacus02, I think if you do any moves with glowsticks and you consider yourself a glowstringer, then you're glowstringing. I can't really think of a way to make moves that are """""""poi""""""" to have glowstringing style to them, since typically all glowstringing style varies from person to person, and the general glowsticking style is contact moves such as wrapping, catching, tracing, ect.

lol no comment (o_O)

I think it depends on how you use them. I dont really see this as a poi vs glowstringing debate as much as I see it as a PRO glowstringing debate. As in the glowstringing style. What is the glowstringing style? Wraps, manips, spirals, traces, etc..
To me if you went from weave to flower to crossers that would be the poi "style" or "flavor" or whatever the hell you want to call it.
If you went from flowers to bicept wraps to crossers to crossover wraps that would be adding poi style moves to the glowstringing moves that you are doing.
Brian, Im pretty sure that I saw you do a flower wrap combo at the meetup..

Im not going to try and turn this into another Poi vs Glowstringing debate so im just going to leave it at that.

i think glowstringing is when you have the intention to glowstring, and not do poi

and poi is, when you have the intention of doing poi and not glowstringing

or something along those lines (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

what "flavor" could you add that would make it a different move? A flower is still a flower and a weave is still a weave... the only thing that changes is what is on the end of the strings

wraps manips croosers wall planes are moves.. i think the flavor or style is how the move is executed..... sum ppl have a slow paced style sum have a speady style and the famouse drunken stringer style... lol (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

People who glowstring use certain moves that most people who do poi do not. To me that makes it the glowstringing style, which is completely different then trying to argue that what you are doing is dependent on what tool you are using.

im not tryen to arue with u dude its all love over here i was just saying........ dont take offence to that i didnt mean it for u to take it the wrong way.

I didnt take offense Im just trying to turn this discussion into something constructive..

I know the whole glowstringing/poi debate has been beaten to death around here, so i'll try to tread carefully here, but i do think there is plenty of room to add a glowstringing touch to some of the techier poi moves that you don't see as much in stringing. The moves themselves and which discipline they came from is completely arbitrary to me, but i think its safe to say that certain moves don't get too much attention from one side or the other which is a shame because you can do totally different things with particular moves depending on what your swinging.

Isolations are a great example of a concept that is screaming for glowsticking love. They're hard to do for sure, but since I've been practicing them with sticks I've already thought up some interesting things, like starting with an isolation, wrapping one string on your bicep, and bringing it back into an opposite isolation or a hybrid of some sort. Or going from an isolation to a link catch (your hands are right there anyway), to an orbital or a manip or something. Sure its nothing groundbreaking, but its another thing to play around with and explore right?

It is all about the context. Context is everything.

The context defines when battling is appropriate. In one context (breakdancing), it is appropriate; in another, it is not (glowsticking)

The context defines what subject you are doing when you manipulate mathematical equations. If you're solving equations within the context of a block sliding down a incline, it's physics. If you're proving the existence of the real numbers using equations, it's math.

The context defines when you are allowed kiss a girl (i.e. - your girlfriend vs. a stranger). The context defines what you should wear today (suits if you're at a business meeting, gym clothes if you're pumping that iron).

So even though you're doing a flower or a weave, because you consider yourself a glowstringer, you are in fact glowstringing. Just like how a breakdancer who uses kungfu in his routine, he is in fact breakdancing because he considers himself a breakdancer.

But if you don't buy that, consider the entire routine, not just that one isolated move.

When a glowstringer does a weave, he usually does not stay in it indefinitely - he will weave once or twice and then go into some wrap combo or manipulations. So when you analyze him holistically, his entire routine, you can only conclude that it is glowstringing and not poi.

When a breakdancer does one move from kungfu, that doesn't make him a martial artist. Because he did some top rock before entering that move. You know?

I'm going to agree with this. The move is a poi move. You can insert poi moves into a combo to give it glowstringing "flavor"...?

Yeah I remember that, I was doing a bunch of shotgun extensions in a manor that it looked like a flower, but that's not what wes means by "adding a glowstringing style." He means doing the exact move, but adding "glowstringing flavor" to it as in doing the same move just in a different way that will match with glowstringing. I just don't see how you could make a flower have a "glowstringing style." And before those who didn't read my last post, before you start complaining about me saying you can't do flowers and glowstring, my last post says that whatever move you do, as long as you do it with glowsticks and you are intending to string, then you're stringing.

And I'm just going to say, I cannot stand how the word "poi" has two meanings.

1) The one in glowstringing which defines moves such as weaves, butterflies, flowers.

2) The one that defines poi as an art, the tools they use, the community, blah.

SOOOOOOOO much people intend to say the first, but others thing they're saying the second or vice versa.

That's why I always want to call 1) something like aerial moves, or something else just so we don't freaking mix it up all the time >.>.

I get what you're saying, but I think that the same could be said about every single type of move that isn't practiced very often, which is pretty broad and doesn't lay only with poi moves.

Edit: I do think that, not that I don't.

How does that dertermine what's the "glowstringing style" though? Those are just different styles within glowstringing.

Definitely, some moves aren't practiced simply because they're too impractical with glowsticks like butterfloops and wibbles and even regular tosses to a certain extent, but thats a limitation of the tool not the individual spinner. There are plenty of moves that are totally doable with sticks and poi, but only really get attention from poi spinners, like pendulums and floaters and the like. I guess this is because you can't really do either of those moves as fast as you could do other moves in a stringing routine. To go back to the initial topic, taking a floater for example, and adapting it to fit well into a stringing routine would certainly be an example of applying a "glowstringing flavor" to a "poi"(not really, but for simplicity's sake...) concept.

I guess in the context of the original post the premise seems a bit silly, as many have said before, if your a stringer you're stringing etc etc, but i think this particular conversation is still valid because there really are a lot of moves that the attention they deserve on both sides of the "spinning things on strings" coin

I didn't mean to post "don't" what I meant to say was



lol my bad.

But yeah I do agree there are moves that you can't do with everything such as bowties with sock poi, since you it's just physically not in the shape of a stick which is required... but the moves you mentioned like butterfly hyperloops and wibbles.... you can definitely do those with glowsticks =o. wibbles you would need handles, but we don't really call them wibbles we just say it's color switching.