This has been bugging me since I started sticking a few weeks ago.

At what point does inspiration become straight thievin'?

Let me elaborate my point. I learned how to do a triangle from a tutorial. I don't consider this stealing the guys moves because he made a video explaning how to do it, broke it down, explained it and all that. I see that as inspiration / learning.

Now I go on YouTube and I see some glovers / freehanders practice videos. During the video I see some moves that make me think "That's F'in Bad ass, I want to do that too" and learn how to do it. Now whoever made their practice vid probably put it up for his friends to see, or for something like this medium for his peers to critique and give pointers. This however extends beyond the internet, you could see someone do something completely sick in person and want to emulate it in your routine/style. I know I have.

So can you just pick and chose from other glowstickers style and moves freely and incorperate it into your own? Or does there come a point where a move that you worked for countless hours on to perfect and make yours, something no one has seen before, is exclusively yours and it is considered rude or just plain stealing to replicate it without permission?

I mean, we should respect each others hard work (well, more your hard work since I just started and haven't contributed to the society at all) but at the same time, if we don't replicate someones moves, and make it part of our individual style, how can sticking grow as a culture?

These are just a few questions that have been running through my mind since I started taking an interest in glowsticking. This may be something that is part of glowsticking culture that is so well known it isn't talked about. If it is, I apologize for the ignorance as I haven't heard or seen any discussions on this subject.

I hope to hear your opinion on the matter. I think it will be interesting to see the differences in views between old school, and the new guys (like myself).

wow dude really.
I understand were you are coming from but there really is no "straight theivin"


When you make a new concept that everyone can learn from it shouldn't matter if someone else uses it let alone have to ask for permission. Thats retarded lol

Even if you see someone else use it, you should be all like, "hell yea im glad other people think that thats super bad ass too.

Even if other people see someone else do it, Even if you dont know about,
Just think of all the people that think its super bad ass lol
That should be enough in itself.

I agree that ideas and concepts should be shared freely. My question kind of stemmed from the story in cynicdaves sig about Sparrow and the tragic story that happened to him and his wife.

So there has to be elements somewhere in the community, good or bad as they are, that have a different opinion. I guess I don't have a good grasp of the community. If you asked me a month ago what PLUR was I'd probably ask if you meant "plural." It just seems like there are some people that consider something they made up exclusively "theirs" that is more what I was looking for clarification/discussion on.

Well, thats why we hate battling and competitions. That breeds an environment where people would get pissed at your for biting their moves. But thats not what WE are. We are a group who love something and want to share that with others who love it.

The one thing I think about moves is dont learn em cause they are complex or to show off, learn em cause you watch a video and are like "I COULD USE THAT IN MY STYLE!!!"

At least here this is all about PLUR. So it isnt thieven. And if people show a move in public...well its no longer exclusively theirs. It becomes everyone's who they showed it to. Now, if you learn something from someone its nice to give credit.

Such as alot of what I learned i learned from lilraverboi before I came to GS.C. I thank him in my vids cause without him, I wouldnt be where Im at.

Hope this helped bro.

Yes it did. Thank you for the clarification.

i think it would turn from inspiration to thieving once you claimed it as yours.

When you say the word "thieving" you're implying that it is rightfully yours. The fact of the matter is when you join a dance community, everything is everyone's, so as long as you're not taking credit, and you're saying, "yeah, I learned it from so-and-so," then nothings really the issue. Skill comes from incorporating tricks and moves into your own style.

Sure, you create your own move, but the real joy should come from seeing other people use it, expand, and grow from it.

That's my opinion though.

Well since you learned the Triangle from me i will break it down for you.

Glowsticking is not about Stealing other peoples styles. its about observing practicing learning and modifying to create your own unique style.

In this instance freehand: I learned freehanding from looking at both tutorials and other peoples practice vids and collabs etc. this is ENCOURAGED in glowsticking. The idea is to EXPAND the ART so we can incorporate new ideas and learn from them and expand on them more.

The trianlge you learned from me was inspired bu isolations which i learned from someone elses vids. is it stealing? No because we dont go around saying stuff like " oh this is my personal move and you cant do that cause its mine" that would be childish and uninspiring.

So basically NO. there is no stealing or biting thievin jacking taking or any of that BS in glowsticking.

We put those vids out to inspire other glowstickers to become better and want to keep glowsticking. hence why i made the tutorial.

(IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) hope that answers ur question.

alright my 2 cents i dont think you can steal a specific move. BUT, i think u can straight thieve a combo, a string of moves in a specific order that you know someone does. beacause that takes time of watching that person or a vid of them to get the exact order that is like stealing their style.

Shrug i still wouldnt call it stealing. Maybe uncreative, and unappealing, but it would sorta be like the someone doing a cover of a song, its not stealing, but its not near as creative.

But that also goes to the direction of using someone's combo but still changing the feel of it due to timing,body movement, so it being a cover of someone's combo but not actually the exact same.

I just dont like the idea of stealing in glowsticking. As long as you didnt say hey i invented this, your fine.

It's a dance. Does the guy who decided to throw in a kick while shuffling complain about how it's a standard move now?

What I always do is watch videos to get ideas and exposures on things that can help me expand my repertoire of moves to incorporate into my dance routine.

I don't feel its "thieving" if you added one particular move into your entire dance style, unless perhaps you copy every single exact move from another person's routine.

But that is just lame and silly, since music and dance is all about self expression and not to try copy someone else. Besides, its always infinitely harder to copy someone else exactly, as oppose to feeling the music and giving your own dance interpretation of it.

The line bewteen inspiration and the most heinous and criminal act of stealing someone elses moves is absurdly thin, some would even say nonexistent. In terms of glowsticking there will always be the innovaters and the down-right "copy-cats", and everyone in between.

I've struggled with this problem on both ends. At first I felt like although I was learning from some of the greatest freehanders in the world, my moves were an envious recreation of what I had been taught, not my own original ideas. Then more recently, I struggled with the issue of watching others claim my combos, or copy specific moves; but I eventually heard some sound advice from an old friend - that the true innovaters will always aspire to and achieve superlative greatness, while the posers will wallow in their immitative failure.

The bottom line is that you should always give credit where credit is due, and that the first lesson you should learn is the value of humility.

I once heard a saying and although I would question the real intellectual contribution it could make to this discussion, I would enjoy the chance to use it... it was something along the lines of:
"Good ideas are those that can be admired, bought and sold, but the best ideas are patented"

uhhh hey spazzman i kinda made up a move, and then was watching one of your videos and noticed that you used it, so would that be stealing if i used it?

people come up with same/similar ideas all the time without knowing it. So no, it's not stealing. It's hard to define stealing when it comes to performing arts. If you think about it, we all use the 3 beat weave, the butterfly, etc. whatnot. Those are all moves somebody/somebodies out there "created" through their imagination, in other words everyone that watched a tutorial would be considered "Stealing" right?

IMO, it's how you incorporate that move into your style. The closest thing i can think of that would be stealing is outright copying somebody word for word or act for act. In otherwise copying their exact move/transition/style. Hopefully you can understand that.

No. Especially considering that you created it all on your own with never watching my video - this in fact has happened to me on many occassions. Furthermore, there would not be a problem even if you did in fact learn the move from my video, as long as you rightfully gave credit when it was due.

The only notion of stealing that really fits in with freehanding is when credit is not given, or more specifically, wrongfully claimed by someone else.. atleast thats how I see it.

Straight up tried to steal your double hand stall to double quick hit and spin to catch and totally failed. I can only really do it with my right hand though I love the move. Anyway keep making videos so I can "steal" more stuff and give you credit K THANKS BYE!!! To clarify I don't really want to steal moves I just like watching the awesomeness that you create by just looking at the glowsticks. I bet you move them with your mind.

ok cool. and i loved all of your crazy double handstall switcheroo stuff and learned it but im trying to make my own stuff (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I think that its only stealing when you use it and say you came up with it, and Im sure most if not all people here dont do that. Of course, its pretty common the create something and think nobody else has. I myself only watched tuts. on tracing and ISO's and I am just now starting to watch other peoples glowsticking styles and whatnot. So I could get my own feel for things. Most of the stuff I do I just learned on my own but I will never take credit for anything I do because its mostly been used before.

Keep practicing.. young padawan. (IMG:http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)