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#373602 Glowsticking at a Club/Bar/Pub, is it aight?

Posted by Cleric on 29 July 2010 - 04:14 AM

It depends on the vibe. If you feel even for a second that it's not the right place for it...that you may hit someone..that you may get confronted about it....then don't do it.  If you feel it's completely appropriate then go for it.  

Me personally wouldn't do it in a place thats playing mixed music. I save it for the true edm clubs or underground parties. From experience it gets more hate at the mix music parties then it should.  

Also personally I wouldn't everrrrr string to sandstorm or those other cheesey electronic songs all djs seem to have in their playlist. But thats just me.

#370782 Are We Elitist?

Posted by Ph0toN on 26 June 2010 - 07:42 PM

Are we elitist?

Over the years there have been multitudes of people who have called Glowsticking.com an elitist website.  There have been multiple reasons for this name calling, most of which has come from an extreme misunderstanding of our views.  This article is intended to address these views and shed some light on what we are really about.

The most common reason for the name calling is that we have specific moral values, beliefs and standards here on Glowsticking.com, which are as follows:

1. We do not believe in battling or competing with the art, as it breeds contempt for other glowstickers, demoralizes others and judges that one glowsticker is better than another (which coincides with the very definition of elitism).

2. We do not believe in showcasing or selling the art by performing on a stage.  Again the reasons for this are the same, as when someone gets on a stage they are automatically placing themselves above other glowstickers by being in the spotlight, as well as being on a raised platform where all attention is drawn to them.  This also includes talent shows, which are not only extreme instances of showcasing, but are also forms of competition.

3. We do not believe in forming crews, which are a way of separating one group of glowstickers or light related dance performers from others.  Crews, in most cases, are also formed with the specific goal of competing with other crews.  There are those that like to say that Glowsticking.com itself is in a sense a giant crew, but the difference is, aside from the obvious fact that we do not label ourselves as a crew, that we welcome anyone into our community regardless of their skill level and we do not compete with the art.

4. We do not believe in being paid to glowstick, as this not only promotes competition between people seeking a pay slot, it also dilutes the art for the performer by making it a job instead of something done for enjoyment.

5. We do not believe that glowsticking should be done in a high school setting, including high school dances.  Time has shown us that generally people in that age group just do not have the maturity level to understand the core values of the art.  They either pick it up because they think it will make them look cool, or else they get made fun of by others.  This does not mean to say that everyone in high school is immature, just that in most cases it turns out to have negative consequences.

Many people seem to greatly misunderstand this set of rules we enforce here on Glowsticking.com.  The number one misunderstanding is that we apply these rules to everyone, which is not true.  The rules only apply to people who are on Glowsticking.com.  It is a privately owned website and we expect people who use the resources on it to abide by our rules.  People who are not on Glowsticking.com are free to do as they wish, though we will look down on and not support what they are doing if it goes against our core values.

Do we try to intercede when we see things outside of Glowsticking.com that go against these values?  Yes, absolutely.  In most cases when we explain our values to those in charge of the situations we intercede in they change their minds.  Occasionally they maintain their stance, in which case we leave them alone to do as they wish.  To each their own, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  However, we will not stand for people practicing things that go against what we're all about while they are participating in our community here on Glowsticking.com.

Another reason some people call us names is that they think we're practicing the art for the attention.  While we can't speak for everyone that's in our community, doing it for the attention goes against our core beliefs in that it's another form of showcasing.  If you do happen to see someone on Glowsticking.com who is practicing the art for the attention, chances are they haven't been practicing the art for very long.  The people who have been around for a long time and have put years of practice and dedication into the art would not be doing that if they were seeking attention and instant gratification.  You can ask just about any Glowsticking.com member that's been around for more than a couple of years why they do it and they'll all tell you the same thing, speaking of the joy and beauty of the art and the culture behind it, backing up our core beliefs.  There is no way to know what the intentions of every member on Glowsticking.com are.  When we hear of someone glowsticking for attention we confront them and explain to them why it’s wrong, attempting to instill in them some values and love for the art.  We apologize if you have ever run into anyone from Glowsticking.com who was obviously glowsticking for the attention, as they were severely misrepresenting our community.

So what is this mysterious culture you hear us constantly referring to?

The culture we refer to is in a sense a duality.  We refer to the culture with the meaning of both the rave culture and the glowsticking culture.  The rave culture originally came from a scene that was underground, in which participants came together to enjoy music, dancing and sharing with each other freely.  The term PLUR, which these days is widely tossed around with no meaning, was used to describe what the scene was all about.  It stands for Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.  In days past these were the ideals you found in just about every person who was in the scene.  They were the embodiment of the rave culture:  Be peaceful, don't fight with others in the scene.  Love those who are enjoying the party with you.  Come together for one night and celebrate in unity.  Respect one another despite your differences.

The glowsticking culture is in essence both a part of and a spin-off of the rave scene.  It can exist outside of the rave scene, but the roots of glowsticking are forever planted in rave culture and thus the values carry over.  Though the term PLUR has become diluted over time, these things are a large part of what our core beliefs here on Glowsticking.com are based on.  We strive to hold true to what the rave scene was founded on.

Does this mean that because of the respect we show for others that we should allow people in our community to do as they wish, battling and showcasing and so forth?  No it doesn't.  These things in themselves are disrespectful to others.  While we do show respect for others, that doesn't mean we should allow our community to become diluted with negativity and then show respect for those who bring the negativity.  We will not however, disrespect them.  We will look down on their negative practices yes, but that is not the same as disrespect.  When worst comes to worst the most we will ever do is ask someone to leave the site or forcibly remove them if they won't comply with a request to leave.

In the end, does this come out as elitism?  In our opinion, no it doesn't.  All it amounts to is looking out for our own community and doing what we feel is best for them.  Keeping the original core values of the rave scene alive in the minds of our members and helping them to pass this knowledge on to others who may not have been around in the past to experience it, with hopes of preserving and rebuilding at least a small part of what this wonderful culture was originally founded to be.

#400657 GSC Haunted Collab 5

Posted by suzume on 30 October 2012 - 08:44 PM

just got a leak on the song thatll be used for the collab!!



#400628 GSC Haunted Collab 5

Posted by ehrik on 30 October 2012 - 08:29 AM

ill be submitting later today. :X

#398811 Project Old Skool

Posted by suzume on 08 July 2012 - 04:16 PM

Indeed we should!  that's where i fell flat last go round,
I stopped pestering them to film and submit x(

we also need to spam peeps like:
nmestar, decipher86, yosho, trance-rckr, pac-man, sage, KO, Wil, c-money, whiteman, ares, phoenixxx, ginseng, jinn44, xBcommandox, greens2dust, trebek, matone, hinde, knivez, freakdeke, syphon (yes you), jaimison, melvenorc, kael, zin, adrillf, griever; seriously this list could go on and on and on and on xP

I say we just invite everyone we possibly can to film,
(old members, new members, members that said yes but never submitted,  people i forgot to ask, people we Should have asked rave-politics aside etc.)
and then whore-ass them until we have some footage (even if it's just a minute clip) xD

I'm also curious if ya'll think we should do this like last time where it's an onslaught of solo videos, or if you guys prefer one massive compilation video;

If we do individual solos, it'll make it a bit easier for people to watch, and avoid a massive hour-plus video
but it will also cause moments where one video gets a ton of views and another doesn't get any at all

but if we do one big compilation, we're gonna have to really stay on top of who is in charge of gathering footage, who's in charge of editing, music mixing, etc.
the massive compilation can also be done relatively easy since there's no fancy editing, and it will put everyone's footage on equal ground since each section would be getting the same care and attention as the rest of the footage, this way we focus on the art not the FX (plus a massive video gives a sense of unity)

I'm also toying with the idea that everyone involved pick or think of a really meaningful statement or quote from philosophers and/or influential individuals that have inspired you in the art, or has inspired you in life (this will create a deeper understanding and bond between all involved and all watching)

but you guys think all of this over, cuz either way I'm down for whatever xP

#398741 "The Art of Gloving"?

Posted by suzume on 30 June 2012 - 12:12 PM

If you think one person's opinion is harsh then you're taking it too personal
(seriously, im not trying to be an asshole, just saying take everything with a grain of salt, especially on this site hahaa)

I myself used to get bent out of shape every time a member or mod posted a differing opinion, but i eventually had to learn:

these are ALL people's opinions if you disagree then disagree and move on,
and there's no need to make  statements like "it doesn't seem like they would be welcome here"

they WILL be, but if you're already telling them "i don't know if you would be welcome on the site"
that's NOT starting them off on good thoughts of the site xP;
A good example is when *name removed for courtesy* was banned from the community (and dont get me wrong, i still talk to him)
but he was banned for having shouting matches with mods IRL over issues of competition and doing it for money,
he then made it a mission to smear the GSC name all across the LA area convincing all of his friends in real life and online alike to do the same hate-campaign...  *bad form sir, bad form*  
**but in his defense, many mods had gone power crazy during that time**

nonetheless we will never know until you invite them to this community =P

if they are doing the art for money or competing with it, then no, in that one aspect we will NOT see eye to eye with them,
but it doesn't mean we're gonna outright hate them.

above all else we are ALL human =3
and we cannot force our ways onto others
*no hard feelings nekoshan seriously -hugs-*
**and i truly apologize if anything I've said comes off aggressive or mean, that is truly NOT my intention**

and now on to my opinion, which i'm sure some of you will not agree with xD
*but that's okay, that's why this is a forum, so we can all exchange ideas/opinions*
**we have all been doing excellent at behaving like adults so let's continue to do so**


in my own personal opinion
Gloving is BARELY different from the art of glowsticking/stringing

the "advanced" set up of a glover is JUST as comparable as the set up I use
shoelace = glove (a clothing accessory)
overpriced LEDs inside a stick = overpriced LEDs inside the glove
toggle switch = button switch
finger rolls = isolation rotations in freehanding

good glovers follow along to the music,
good freehanders/stringers follow along to the music

gloving specializes in the art of the lightshow
freehanding has specialized techniques specific to giving lightshows

the fact that tutting and digiting CAN and ARE easily incorporated into freehanding justifies the connections alone.
same way pen spinning can be applied to freehanding, but thats for a different conversation

but nonetheless, why so eager to isolate?  we all came from the same culture
and yes our artforms may be different, but our ideologies should be the same
(especially since we *gasp* came from the same culture; PLURR what happened to that?)

If it's not people trying to isolate themselves with crews or tribes or gangs or teams,
it's the community itself trying to be isolated as a whole from its fellow flow/glow arts

did you guys learn/remember nothing from our forefathers, the hippies? xD
*and yes I'm aware that hippies had tribes, BUT the tribes were regional and accepting of all newcomers,
not "oh i have four friends we're a tribe/crew now that no one else can join unless we see them as a good addition to our group"*

the statement of "the mentality of the artist is different" to me, isn't justifiable.
What has been observed is just two mentalities in an ocean of differing mentalities that
performers can have.  I know PLENTY of poiists, tutters, glovers, freehanders, and
stringers that ALL generally put on a live show for others as well as MANY performers
that do it just for themselves.  And still some do it just for the sheer attention
factor.  Sometimes it just differs on the person's day that determines their mentality at the time.
I'll use myself as an example:

I absolutely love teaching the art to other people
A small factor in there is that I love exposing new people, that are willing to listen and learn, to the art.
but There are times at the club when I'm stringing that I will utterly refuse to crack my
sticks because i HATE the attention it brings.  Then there are other times when I can't
wait to get out there and blow some minds xP

And there are times when I'm with friends and they want me to show off some concepts to a
friend of theirs, and personally, I can't stand it (dance monkey dance)  But my
everlasting ethics are "never on a stage, never for money, not in the public eye, never
to be better than someone only to be better than myself"

I know that many other performers (poiists, stickers, stringers, glovers, etc.)
cycle through the same emotions and thoughts as I just mentioned because they've all
admitted (the ones i talk to) that they cycle through those thoughts, but overall, their
ethics vary from person to person (some WANT to sell out, some LOVE the meditative side of it, etc.)

We can't say that "Oh well glovers just want to sell out the art"
when we've seen kids get on those same shows (AGT, ABDC, etc.) and started glowsticking
(happened on VH1 even)

back in the 90s this was just called liquiding and digiting (spamming a figure-eight with
your hands, and very few performers pioneered digiting *thank you tinylove*)  and now
that we have light up gloves, it's breathed new life into the art, but the new-gen seem
eager to try and claim that it's something totally different, instead of learning the
history of the art and then looking forward to see where the art could/should go (and yes
we HAVE had the exact same issue when glowsticking branched out of poi)

in fact i know there is a division amongst glovers and digiters between the OGs that say
you can't beat JUST the hands, and others swear by the glove and say it's the future
(same way OGs crack ultras, and new-gen use LEDs)
and in the same manner poiists used to/still look down on the glowsticking art, tutters often
look down on digiting, and even moreso of glovers *elitism much?/sound familiar much*

It's rather interesting because their art could potentially splinter in the same manner
ours did a few years ago (people leaving for various reasons insisting their method of
thinking is right: perform on stage for money, teach for money, compete for noteriety and
money, mainstream the art for the attention and money, etc.)

honestly, i dont have a problem with gloving and digiting, i think it's a fascinating and
a relatively challenging artform.

But i DO have an issue with underhanded means of promotion by businesses

*typical thoughts that go through a business owner's mind looking to capitalize on an art*
Instead of just offering workshops and exposés about the art, let's set up competitions
that has an entrance fee that way the business doesn't have to cough up any money aside
from filler prizes for the top three winners (and winners or losers aside, as long as they're in the store they'll still buy anything/everything)
and as proven by SA battlers (and a good chunk of the b-boy community) when it is left up to a community to vote on who's the
best, it WILL boil down to a popularity contest no matter who has mindblowing concepts or
not (shok vs. shadow) *yoyoing and breakdancing also have this same problem,
hence most venues have changed it from yoyo-competitions and breakdancing competitions to
everyone gets to just showcase your talent and new products)

but this becomes more of a social problem than just an art problem.  We as society are so
eager to either capitalize or isolate via competition, I find it incredibly embarassing
(we can't just NOT be competitive about life?  This is why the Star Trek future looks so
appealing to me xD)  

Hell give it time and I'm sure we will find a way to create
competitive yoga (look at my form brah, so clean! you ain't got shit on my lotus pose!!)

from an event promoter's point of view, when the local police department asks you "hey
why are all these kids just sitting around staring into these lights?"  you're gonna have
a damn near impossible time convincing the outside world that the viewers Aren't on
drugs. (but how is this fight any different than dissavowing the known stereotypes of a glowsticker?)

But all in all, this is just another reason I feel that ALL glow arts need to actively
choose to start migrating AWAY from raves and start heading towards dance studios,
academies, etc.  At least until we can all decide on something like "Glow Temples" (think
skateparks or gymnasiums for glow performers) so it's just a massive dance studio complex
engineered and designed with all different art styles in mind (mirrors EVERYWHERE) and it
becomes a place that the performers don't have to worry about how society is perceiving
the art, because everyone inside knows and understands what the art means to all of us.  
the temples would be anti-competition but pro-workshops (let's teach not compete)  The
only money being made by it, is going back into the temple to add on more kick ass things
that people would like to see added (EDC octopus anyone?)  But now I'm just rambling...

anyways this should just about sum up my opinions and feelings on all of this, but let me leave with this;
What's stopping what we are seeing now with gloving leading to things like this:

and anyone wanna see how they tried to sell out freehanding?

I could totally see gloving being sold in the exact same offensive and disturbing manner
complete with gloves and a DVD to teach the kids the basics of the art
reducing the art from something truly original and expressive that should be recognized by the cirque, performing and dance communities

to nothing more than a splurge item stuffed away in a Toys'R'Us *shame shame*
(in some cases it is already happening, you can win LED gloves at a pizza parlor arcade in Austin, and in the mid-west, poi is sold in toy stores with DVDs all being marketed for kids 8+)

TL;DR, there are no shortcuts in life, scroll back up and READ!!

#398346 Rainbow Wall Tutorial

Posted by suzume on 09 June 2012 - 05:01 PM


01. Start off by arranging your rainbow wall consisting of 8-14 sticks and two 54" shoelaces

02. Once you have your sticks arranged, start with the bottom stick, and grab one of your strings

03. lace one end of the string through the loop of the stick going left

04. lace the other end of the string through the loop of the stick going right

05. now pull the ends of the string until you have a small loop ensnaring the stick

06. make sure you have equal lengths of the string on each side

07. Now decide wether you want to make "whips":
where the sticks are end on end (this will make the rainbow wall very rope-like)

08. or if you want to make "sabers":
where the butt of the above stick, lays beside the stick below it (this makes the rainbow walls more stiff)

09. Once you have all the sticks laced up, make sure you tie the ends together

10. A finished whip design should look like this

11. A finished saber design should look like this

12. The final step is fastening the sticks in place.  If you use tape, make sure it is strong enough to handle
some abuse and re-positioning (tape will prevent you from doing wraps);
Alternatively you can use rubber bands to secure the sticks and this WILL allow you to do wraps

13. Get creative with your color patterns, it doesn't always have to be a rainbow or chakras

14.  You can also stack the rainbow walls into duo-stacks and tri-stacks

15. Get out there and string to your heart's content!! =D

#396930 The Jared Collab

Posted by JaredHimself on 07 March 2012 - 08:47 PM


Due Date and Release Date:
All footage is to be submitted to Jared by the end of May.

How to Submit:
If you would like to submit just get in contact with me, JaredHimself. Send me, JaredHimself, an email at Jaredpoi1@gmail.com or send me, JaredHimself, a PM.

This is the Jared collab.
You must be Jared. Particularly JaredHimself.
If you are not Jared your clip will not make it into the final video.
Your clip should be about 20 seconds and consist of Jared glowsticking.
The final project will end up being around 3-4 minutes.
Glowsticks only. No poi, flowtoys, LEDs, lightbulbs, dildos, etc.

Don't send in footage with crappy lighting, we all want to be able to see Jared. (Please film at night with enough artificial lighting for viewers to see Jared.)
Don't release your footage to the public before the final project is released.

Editor: JaredHimself
Promoters: JaredHimself
Thread Organizer: JaredHimself

Roll Call:


#392353 Stringers Battle League

Posted by Tico on 13 August 2011 - 04:14 PM

First of all, the fact that we are tagged in that video is something which is wrong and something which we should try to get changed.
Secondly, the whole "stringers battle league" as a name is just lame.

Also-- something else that irked me. GSC members commenting on the video with positive feedback. Guys. I realize you are friends with Andy and w/e but c'mon. Didn't the title of the video bother you at all? I just don't understand how you can support people that have morals & values opposite of your own. That is, if you truly do support the culture. But I guess that is just my personal opinion.

Sorry for the standoff-ish nature of this post, but seriously guys. I'm beginning to think people are more interested in getting "better" than they are about the culture. :(

In response to Jebsax, while I agree that supporting people who have opposite morals and values is a weird and hard to understand act, I don't agree with the idea that commenting: "nice vid andy" or something along those lines equals supporting said people. Hitler was a horrible person with horrible acts and it may be obvious that I don't support the man, it must however also be noted that he helped to solve the unemployement rate before the war and all that.
While I don't agree with the whole battling thing, I can't deny that the kid has a number of sweet moves. Saying this (either here or on youtube) does, in my eyes, not support the person and his morals and values it merely acknowledges the fact that he has learned a few good techniques.

As for our approach to battlers and such, I'm a bit divided on my opinion here. I'd love it if our scene would be battler free, I do however realise that achieving this is an almost impossible task. This does not by any means mean that I think we should just drop our morals and start battling as well, what it does mean however, is that we need to give a very good thought towards our approach of getting people to see (and agree with) our side of the argument. We can do this in the die-hard/hardcore way ("all battlers are evil, we don't want to have anything to do with you, be gone evil demons") or we could take a more relaxed approach. One which entails that we don't accept battlers on GSC, and which entails that we, GSC members, don't battle. However, it also entails that we are open to hanging out with battlers in real life as long as they don't battle us (and preferably also not with other battlers as long as we are around). The latter approach would show people that we are not the elitists which we are often said to be, and that we are open to all people. It also says that, while we don't refuse people, we do refuse certain actions, and as long as people don't do those actions around us, we don't mind hanging out with them.
I myself am in favour of the second approach and I have the feeling that you JB are in favour of the first. This is not to say that people who follow the first way are wrong in their views, I merely say that I have a differing view which in my opinion is worth giving a chance.

As for the whole "why do people comment in a positive way thing", I'd like to hear from those people (Xetmath, Blaaesh, and a third person who's name eludes me at present) why they gave those comments. For all we know, they meant it in a sarcastic way and we didn't pick it up.

Tl;dr? Get a better attention span.


#392345 Stringers Battle League

Posted by Lira on 13 August 2011 - 11:08 AM

Sorry for the standoff-ish nature of this post, but seriously guys. I'm beginning to think people are more interested in getting "better" than they are about the culture. :(

The vast majority of people are more interested in getting better than preserving the culture. There's no problem with wanting to better yourself & push yourself, but doing so by throwing the culture under the bus in the process? It's what separates the tools from the idealists.

Yeah. I said it.

#28 Introduction Thread! Introduce yourselves!

Posted by zin on 11 June 2006 - 06:10 PM

Okay, this is the official introduce yourself post. Keep discussions to a minimum. PLEASE.

Filling this out isn't required, but it's fun, and will get everyone introduced quicker. This post will be pinned.

This is for current AND new posters. =D






Favorite Book/Magazine/TV show:

Musical Interest:

Goal in the next 5 years:

Goal in the next 20 years:

What turns you on about the opposite sex:

If i had a million dollars I would:

I am good at:

School (if applicable):

Work (if applicable):

I am on glowsticking.com because:

My website/picutures are located:

Describe yourself:

What do you do for fun?

Random fact about yourself:

What you did last weekend:

What yo do when you go out:

Are you in a relationship?

Are you looking to be in a relationship?

#400800 Where I've Been, Where I'll Be

Posted by cynicdave on 07 November 2012 - 08:47 AM

About 2 years ago in my non-glowsticking life  I was recruited by an internet startup called BeachMint. They asked me to join their company and basically they poached me from my previous company. I was getting bored with the current job I had, and I was hungry for more experience in the whole internet startup thing, so I was like, allright, lets do it. I had no idea how much time investment an actual internet startup would cost me. And not just any startup, but now recognized as a "figurehead" internet startup in the los angeles area.

At the time, they didn't have a lot of press,  they had maybe 15 people. Immediately after I joined, the entire company took off like a rocket, with celebrity endorsement deals, huge crazy mentions on techcrunch, multiple rounds of  millions upon millions in funding. I was working 80 hour weeks pretty consistently for a year or so straight, interacting with celebs, learning about fashion, commerce, etc, etc..  

Of course during free days I would take time to make sure the GSC servers were functioning, check the forums every week or so, that there weren't major breakages, but anyone who tried contacting me in the past 2 years could probably tell you that I basically dissapeared off the face of the earth. And I did.  And at first it was very intentional. I was basically very burnt out after almost 10 years of dealing with all the drama, infighting, and children thinking battling is some kind of right. Who don't even know what battling is. Who don't understand the scene. So I took a break. And I kept a real close eye on things.

... and things were okay. Turns out, people eventually just figure out as they get wiser, older, and more confident that they don't need to prove anything, and that the basic art of glowsticking is enough and to get better you need to hang out with people who like it too. And you don't get to hang out with people you try to make a statement against.

So I got into the professional thing, worked really really hard and built a team career wise.

But you know what's funny? A lot of people at my company are EDM heads.

And I used to be the youngest. But now at 30, I'm like relatively old in this company.

And they all know about glowsticking. And all the c-level execs also know about glowsticking. Co-founder is actually younger than I am.

And I fucking miss glowsticking.

I went to burning man, and it was great. It was nice to not have internet for a week. And when I got back to work, it was a lot of stress, sure, that seemed like the tipping point for when my time started becoming more free, and getting better every day.

And I need to fucking glowstick.  

I'm going to start doing some upgrades to the forum to make shit easier to use. Not sure if we can ever get to the same level of activity. 2 years ago, FB started to dominate everyone's time, and it still holds true today. I need to figure out how to make the transition easier. A lot of changed in 2 years tech wise.

But one of the things I'm going to do first is probably get rid of all the ads. I can afford the server costs on my own now.

Anyway, to those that don't know who I am. I am Cynicdave, and I founded Glowsticking.com