Here's a discussion from 2005 on glowstringing versus poi, if they were even different at all. This discussion took place on HoP. we came a long way from people not even recognizing glowstringing as its own art form and just a type of poi.

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showfl...rev=#Post379716

OMG it's 18 pgs long and im barely on page 3,,,,,must get coffee........

dear god... what a long discussion. i'm only on page 4 atm. i do remember the original thread on gs.c but didn't however, get a chance to read (neither did i know bout it) what HoP had to think bout the subject. woulda been nice to have the original thread saved as well though.

Well b4 i read the whole discussion, this is my 2 cents on the topic.

i believe that we have taken many steps since then to show the distinction between poi and glowstringing. there are many things that one can do and show with glowsticks that one cannot do w/ just a poi set (and vise versa of course, but since I’m no poi expert, I’m not gonna get into the poi aspects). Wraps and combo construction as wes mentioned in the discussion are good examples as well as string manipulations. though there are some string manips you can do with poi, you can never go as in-depth as you can with glowsticks because of the shape of the glowstick. for instance, you can't add tutting aspects to poi as well as you can with glowsticks. another example is my palm spin string manipulation. That string manipulation was made specifically with glowsticks and can’t be done with poi. even if you did managed to get the poi to spin in place, a stick spinning in place is much more appealing then a ball spinning in place. There is also djsparrow’s bow-tie string manip that can’t be done with poi either. Other than that, just due to the fact that it’s a stick creates a distinct visual appeal from poi.

What I think makes it hard for people to distinguish poi from stringing is when people add poi moves in with their glowstringing and even more so when people emphasize more on the poi rather than wraps or string manips. There’s nothing wrong with doing that, in fact it’s hard for many to concentrate purely on just the stringing aspects when a lot of the basics of stringing involve learning poi moves (though that doesn’t mean that in order to push string further you have to learn more poi). There are very few full-length glowstringing videos that concentrate purely on the glowstringing aspects with maybe a few poi moves here and there to add to the stringing but not there to be focused on. The only ones I can think of right now are Wes’ second solo video, b-rad’s third solo video, and my last solo video. But if we want to make a clear distinction between stringing and poi, these types of videos are what we should strive for. But that doesn’t mean you have to. If you like doing poi, then by all means show some poi. You can still show how much ur pushing the art despite having some poi in your video. Wil’s videos are good examples of that. He showcased many things that pushed stringing while at the same time showing his technical poi skills.

and now there are many moves that really aren't physically possible with fire wicks or poi socks that are with glowsticks... yay for advances in stringing =].

Edit: lol wow, i didnt see jstudds post before i wrote this... good post

Edit again: i think great examples of moves that i find arent do-able with wicks/socks are bowtie-based moves...like jstudd explained with the palm spins

Poi is one of the 3 key genres that compromise glowstringing and always will be. A balanced glowstringer will be good at Poi, Wraps, and Manips and will balance them on an equal level.

Hating or refusing to incorporate poi wont make stringing better, but doing nothing but poi won't help either.

The best stringers GSC has ever seen have used the best of the poi world and fused it with the best of the stringing world to make something unique.

OK, done reading all 18 pgs. From what I take it, if you look at it, poi is an art form derived from juggling by mostly Maori women. Todays poi is far different from what the Maori used it for. That is, it has its own new culture and community. Glowsticking has plenty of roots in poi but it has also evolved from the culture of raves and now has its own culture and also a community. In my mind, and I think it was pointed out in that thread, you can't compare the two as being th same. I think it was Dave that said in that thread (man 18 pages), you can't give a soccerball to a basketball player and call it soccer. All though we do things similarly, poi wasn't rooted in todays modern rave rather glowsticks. True a poi person can do alot of stuff like a glowsticker, but a glowsticker can do it faster, while a poi person can do it more gracefully and isolated. We can do wraps cleaner, they are more interested in flow. We combo construct, they transition. Our equipment is lighter, theirs is heavier. As far as having videos of people who incorporate pure glowsticking, I can't find many on GSC like Jstudd said. Just a handful. Regardless, its not about the style that just defines what a glowsticking is but also the culture and clearly its much different than poi. That makes it a whole new art. Not the same.

Wait.. so your saying if I don't incorporate poi, than I'm not going to get any better? Just asking because other than stalls, hyperloops, and airwraps (if that even counts), i rarely practice poi lately, and i think i have improved a lot these last few months.

this may show some ignorance but i am willing to put myself out there, i honestly still even after being on this site for about 6 months don't know which moves are poi between stringing, not that i don't take the time its mostly that i learn most of my arsenal from this site. i don't care too much for poi so i don't follow it, but if someone came up to me and was like "dude you are doing a ton of poi based moves", i would say "well thats news to me" because in my mind i am STRINGING!!! and thats it, end of story, i do agree with ange about being a great overall and well balanced stringer though. i try to learn everything that i can, its always a challenge anyway so why not? it will never get boring

i'd have to agree with melvenorc. i haven't practiced poi let alone learned any new poi moves since a year and a half ago, which was when i released my 3rd solo vid.
poi can be an essential part in learning glowstringing (though one could even argue that you need not learn the basic poi moves to learn how to string and instead just learn how to transition from wraps and do string manips, but that'd be a very inefficient way of learning how to string since learning basic poi moves help with transitions and control of the strings) but it doesn't have to be an integral part in pushing stringing. fusing poi with stringing is just one potential way to push the art like stalls within string manipulations or wraps, or hyperloop into a catch or chainlink but you don't have to add it to your style. also, essential to stringing or not, trying not to implement it can help those think outside the box and therefore push the art. a basic example is let's say you've created two wrap combos. usually what you like to do is do one combo and transition to the other combo with a weave. then you think, how bout i try and transition between the combos without weaving. that forces you to come up with a more creative way than just weaving from one combo to the other.

hopefully that made sense

and i also agree with decipher in that what sets stringing apart from poi is also the cultural aspect.

wow yea like Ange is a great example for all the mixed elements of stringing and poi. So yea i wouldn't judge between them, they are all alike.

yeah the cultural aspect is also a very good reason behind the main differences, good point

the dream back then was to make it possible to glowstring for a long time without doing any poi, and i think we reached it.

poi isn't an integral part of glowstringing anymore. it's integral in the beginning to get used to the idea of swinging the sticks and to learn control, but it really isn't a necessary part for many glowstringers to learn any kind of poi these days.

that being said, nobody should limit themselves. the debate over glowstringing being different from poi is over. glowstringers have enough of a base of moves and glowstringers have proven it.

some glowstringers who are really good don't have to do poi anymore. just because your style is poi based doesn't mean you should try and justify it to everyone. glowsticking.com has ALWAYS pushed glowsticking, not poi-- if you want to talk poi there are ALWAYS better resources than glowsticking.com.

that's why POI was removed from the text from the glowstringing forums

well said; that in a nutshell pretty much sums up everything i feel.

yesa i was an adamant hater of incorporating advanced poi let alone working on learning them; but after rcent introspections into style and whatnot; a great performer USES all three things, just as ange has said. at this point all i can say has already been said, and said very simply by Ange. i would also give proper nods to jstudd and melvenorc, you gentlemen have all hit my views square on the head

Yeah, I agree... I think stringing has reached that level. Many of us can go on and on and on without doing any poi at all. Even one handed we can go a while without doing poi, and if poi moves are done its normally just basics like butterfly or 2-6 beat weave.. and stalls i guess too.

I haven't really touched up on poi since like a while back... from my experience, I believe poi is essential to glowstringing such as in transitions, but I'm pretty glowstringing now is up to the point where we can limit ourselves on poi like what cynicdave, jstudd, and melvenorc12 said...

also, I don't agree with calling glowstringing a subcategory of poi... by all means, we should be calling poi a subcategory of yoyoing... poi wouldn't had advance as far as it is without the acknowledgment of yoyoing such as the development of hyperloops and such...

better yet, poi did take airwraps from the glowstringing roots...

It is? I mean when your newer yeah because your stringing isn't broad enough... but i think once you get to a point you really don't need to do poi (not saying its bad to do so)... I know we keep referring to this video, but like jstudd's video, he doesn't do any poi.

yup, poi is essential to when you are newer because you will hit a wall in ways of needing to transfer into other combos and such...

glowstringing has gone pretty far since 2002, we've forgone the level of the past and came up with variations of glowstringing moves and combos to keep our differences between the two "arts," glowstringing and poi...

I am still on my origional point of view, it just depends on what you are spinning. You may have different styles, but as soon as I pick up a pair of fire poi, I'm doing poi, even if I'm spinning them in a glowsticking manner. There are deffanetly different styles, but there is no way, that I'd dare to say that I'm a glowsticker when I pick up my sock poi, because at that point, I'm not using glowsticks, I'm using poi.

Yes, there is a difference in spinning styles between poi and glowsticking.

No, you can not glowstick with fire poi, because you're not using the very esential part of the whole idea, a GLOWSTICK.

Yes, you can spin fire or socks or whatever it may be in a glowsticking style. I pick up a pair of sock poi, and I do crazy little things like duo wraps and wrap combos and all of that other fun stuff that is my style. At that point, I am doing poi with a glowsticking style however I am not glowsticking because there is no glowstick involved.

As for if there is a difference between glowsticking styles and poi styles, yes, a very large difference at that too. After meeting up with people in Sweden for two years, where everyone is very poi oriented, there is a very large style difference. They see me doing wrap combos and go as far as saying that what I'm doing is not poi (it's happened to me twice, once in Upsala, once in Roneby). Now days there is a good sized gap between advanced glowsticking and advanced poi. At the newbie stage, poi and glowsticking have their similarities, but as soon as you get past that and start going into the advanced forms of spinning things around you, things suddenly start looking ALOT different, thus making two different genres.

yes, that certainly makes a lot of sense. definitely can't pick up a poi set still say you're rope darting just because you're doing rope darting moves since there's no rope dart involved. and just because you're doing string manips with a poi set doesn't mean you're glowsticking either since there's no glowsticks involved as well. but i wouldn't go as far as saying that people who use LEDsticks are LEDsticking as opposed to glowsticking though since LEDsticks are made in order to imitate glowsticks

Heres my point of view. Glowstringing shouldn't be about the glowsticks. It should be the culture. They've struggled made plenty of differences between Glowstringing and Poi just to seperate from each other.

I am an adament beliver in PLUR, and love to dance and have a good rave. But, I don't understand Poi culture at all besides the fact it was a Maori art practiced in New Zealand that turned into what it is now. I don't know what it is now, I just know its art form thats turned into the central hobby of my life. If I spin with chains and Beaming poi and not glowstrings and sticks does that make me a Poist, or am I a glowstringer becuase of why I spin.

I am not a big fan of the yo yo esque glowstring specific moves. Its just a personal oppinion. I love using Poi moves and how they feel, the weight of the chains, the crazy effects my LED Poi are displaying. I like the flow and not having to concentrate ever on manipulations. Those moves are not just Poi only, they are in every Glowstringers arsenal if they feel they want to use them. It works the opposite as well. Poi'ers are able to do Glowstringing moves when thier Poi enable them to, and would be able to call it Poi.

They just don't according to how well different paths are able to develop. Splitting the basic art of two things spinning. The moves are shared between the two to a point at if your able to do it with the specific tool.

Yes, when I'm using glowstick's and strings, I'm glowstringing.
When I've got my chains out I'm Poing.

But, I am a glowstringer. I belive in its culture, regardless of how I spin, as long as my reason for spinning stays the same.

good point about the cultural aspect of being a glowstringer. i guess if you consider yourself a glowstringer, and what you do glowstringing, i guess you are one. you fit the base minimum which is stringing with glowsticks.

but at the same time, we need to define the technical aspects of what separates a glowstringer from a poist. i think the move list we have now have conclusively proven that.

I don't belive in a completely seperate move list. We already share alot of moves, but yet they call it Poi. If its a basic and integral part of our art form, its part of it. It may have been used first in poi, but a fountain is still a glowstringing move, and same for a waist wrap even if we have a different name for it.

Open your minds, if your able to do a few manipulations with Poi, does it make it glowstringing? I belive not, its just a under developed branch that Poi could explore. Counterwise, using the flow that Poi normally implements is still a Glowstringing tool, not just specific to Poi.

People may consider this and that "not Poi" or "not Glowstringing" becuase of the direction either art is going in, if your able to acheive the result with the chosen tool, its now in that art forms arsenal.

Cant we all just be glowstringing poiists or poiiing glowstringers?

Personally when I am at a rave with some glow I feel more like a glowstringer but when I am spinning fire to the beat of a drum (!!!!^^!!!!) I feel like a poiist. No need to attach so much dualism to the thing if you ask me -.^

There are differences for a reason. Its what makes each unique, and you should respect that. Spinning in for no reason is like being able to treat someone back to health, saving them from death, and not knowing the morality of it.


Its a cool skill, but you have no basis for it, cuasing it to be shallow while the depth of it eludes you.

You don't have to do manipulations, or yoyo type moves, for it to be called glowstringing.
But in my opinion if your doing just poi with glowsticks it's poi, not glowstringing.

Few things cause something else to be shallow my good man.

Perhaps the depth of what I say is eluding

Wait, are you saying I'm eluding posts? I'm just saying what I beleive...

for me, I believe that glowstringing and poi have their differences in moves. Unlike poi, glowstringing doesn't have alot of names or moves but, most of the stuff are just variations of the certain moves in the sense of making it look unique and building combos upon. after my experience with poi in the past, I found alot of the poi moves as filter moves such as transitioning into combos even though now a days we can limit ourselves from poi and push the glowstringing arts.

I've been reading this debate actually starting yesterday, I thought I had already read it and posted in this thread (but it turns out to be a completely different one altogether).

I, for most of the time I've been stringing, or spinning, whichever you prefer, have always wanted to learn both, and to actively showcase and perform both at all times, but reading this and how the poi community didn't really see glowstringing as a separate art, and even some of the disrespect towards it, makes me want to focus on stringing a lot more.

I do think we have come an incredibly long way from 2005 where the poi community still saw glowstringing as a part of poi (like with the whole a) c) d) categorization) and not long after I joined this website I already saw glowstringing as its own art, distinguished from poi.

I'm only on page 7 or something, and I don't know if this discussion continued from 2005 onward, but so far, it would be really interesting to see what the poists think of glowstringing now, seeing as how the art has been pushed so much further.

There was a certain post that made me smile on that thread, it went something like 'I dont think stringing will evolve any more than where it is presently', and it's really cool to see that people here at GS.c have surpassed poi and its limitations, so to speak. AHHHH GOING TO CONTINUE READING. : X

here is a question. WHY call it poi? why does it get to be called poi? the weave isn't a poi move. it's been done for thousands of years in martial arts disciplines.

you may have a point about not defining things, but here is my take-- why not just have a huge "string" site, including yo-yo, martial arts rope darts?

why have separate categorization for music? it's all the same thing. why have deep house, tech house, or hard house?

because some people view it as a separate feeling, a separate culture. glowstringing has become that. you may not agree-- that is your right-- but this site officially recognizes glowstringing to have evolved such that it's possible to do an entire routine without making use of any kind of poi what's so ever.

anyway, to me anyway, this debate isn't really a debate anymore. every time i go to a meetup and see what new stuff these guys have created, i believe it more and more.

i believe he was responding to decemberscalm

but yea, there would be no point in having a seperate name from poi if there was no distinction in how we manipulate poi and glowsticks other than context and the tool. that would make glowstringing a subcategory of poi when it isn't at all. not saying that the context and tool aren't important distinctions, they play a big part as well but not enough on their own to merit a distinction.

Had stringing evolved in such a different direction than poi back then?

Most correct, my good man.

I prefer the art form of Poi over Glowstringing, but I am culturally a glowstringer. PLUR, dance and all.
What am I? I guess I could define myself as a Glowstringer who Poi's. Would that be shallow? Like a so called glowstringer who battles, indulging in the art form but completely being ignorant to what it means.

Would it be hypocritical to be in a fire tribe and still be a glowstringer? (As described in another thread by someone). They battle for prizes, peform and use thier spinning talents for thier benefit and that of thier tribe.
I think thats alright as long as when they glowstring they adhere to its culture, and keep the poi to when thier with thier tribe.

Wheres the line between importance of the art and culture? The tool makes the art, but the people make the culture. The culture could easily change as any culture does over time (like poi).

Anybody can learn a three beat weave, it doesn't come with culture.

It should be every GS:C members job to uphold the culture. It wouldn't be wise to teach someone to string unless told why.

Poi peforms and uses it for self beneficiality (releases stress, knowing yourself).
We belong to the dance.

I seriously don't see many stringers on here, anymore... or it is as though poi is the main focus in the glowstringing world... The more that I visit the glowstringing forums, the more I see it as turning into a subcategory of poi...

even threads like the "stringing idea" thread is turning it's focus towards more poi-related material than trying to prove that glowstringing is its own art/dance/etc...

There will always be some sort of connection between the two but I definitely see them as two very different art forms with different technique and skill sets required for each of them.

I'll even admit to having posted poi tutorial links recently, mostly to help people with basics and fundamentals like plane control, but that's only because there's a definite lack of resources to help build those skill sets when it comes to strictly glowstringing videos... and even the ones posted by members here that help with those things, most particularly barnzee's plane control tutorial (well, the majority of them really), are filmed using poi sets.

As far as newer members, keep in mind it takes a while for us to start pushing the art and really get into the intricacies of things exclusive to stringing. It's been difficult picking apart manips and I actually got excited a few weeks back as I made my first original manip that I didn't pick apart from someone else's video... and I'm now about 4 months old when it comes to stringing. Give some of us newer members some time to catch up on the learning curve. I can see a few that are going to be mindblowing if given a few more months to pick things apart.

I'll definitely admit that I lean more towards a poi-ist style in my spinning,
but i identify glowstringing and poi as two distinctly different arts.
There certainly is a LOT that can't be done with poi that can be done with glowsticks,
but as long as you're spinning two weights on lengths of rope/chain/shoelaces people are going to consider the two very similar.

It's like comparing poi and nunchuku and rope dart and yoyo.

it's true that poi can help out plane control to a certain extent, but then again, glowstringing itself can do its job too in this area... also to include that glowstringing involves alot more than just plane control, such as being able to play with the strings through tossing and catching, etc...

there's definitely alot that can be done with glowstringing, but I guess it may take more time before it starts being pushed ahead... also, glowstringing doesn't have to only involve string manipulations, it originally did derive from wraps and such with a wide field that also includes traces, catches, etc, etc, etc that can be played with...

Seriously though (especially towards the more experienced glowstringers), anyone can do poi and it pretty much looks all the alike to an extent, but no one really tries to build upon a creation that seperates themselves from the norm...

Doesn't basic plane control come into play in everything? Can you execute catches well if you're not any good at swinging in a basic circle?

Can you do wraps if you can't swing and hit your biceps or legs? Sure they're big targets, but a few swings into it most novices are swinging at like 70 degree angles and it doesn't take long before they lose control.

If you ask me, plane control is a huge part of glowstringing. Accuracy is important for being able to build solid combos. It's because of the time I spent doing poi drills to develop good technique that I've been able to learn a lot of actual glowstringing moves.

I agree that you can execute all of the same poi tutorials with glowstrings, but the simple fact is those resources just aren't around. Let me use manips as an example. I realize you are talking about more than just manips, however the only manip tutorials around are cleric's and they're pretty much a 'how to look like a clone' video. However that's also something people are encouraged not to do. The problem here is that, in my own opinion, most people don't want to put the effort into dissecting other peoples manips in order to learn them, so you're left with a handful of people willing to put in the effort, a few dozen more that can do clerics manips pretty well but don't dare do them in front of someone who could recognize it as Cleric's move, and then the rest who look at cleric's videos, shake their heads in disbelief and never really put any effort into figuring any of it out.

In my experience, people generally want to be spoon-fed. I totally agree with the idea of NOT spoon-feeding people when it comes to some of these things because it definitely stifles creativity, but the lack of resources when it comes to some of the more glowstringing specific concepts means that fewer people are going to learn how.

People use a variety of resources, but they basically include this site, youtube, playpoi, homeofpoi, and to some extent GxG as far as the major resources for learning the moves that are common to both arts. Like I said before, even tutorials posted from GSC members often use poi instead of glowsticks. It's hard to create that separation when so many of the resources people frequently use are poi based. I still find a lot of the actual fundamental tutorials to be lacking when compared to what's available for the same moves or conecepts using poi. I learned plane control, turns and the majority of the poi moves I use regularly from Nick Woosley and Chris Rovo. I still frequent their tutorials because, honestly, I think they're the best out there for intermediate to advanced poi concepts and they translate into glowsticking very easily.

If there were those same tutorials on intermediate and advanced glowstringing concepts, I'd probably be much stronger in those areas. As it stands, there's a ton of poi tutorials out there and my style, surprisingly, has turned out to be fairly poi influenced. I still make use of wraps, catches, traces, manips, string wraps and other glowstringing things, but I'm much stronger when it comes to poi because I was able to learn step by step when it came to those things and it required a LOT less work on my part.

CLIFF NOTES VERSION: People are lazy. There aren't many intermediate and advanced glowstringing tutorials so the few people willing to put in the work are the ones pushing the art. Everyone else is waiting on you guys to release tutorials and spoon feed the world on how to glowstring like a pro.

I know what you mean on making tutorials. I've been trying to make tutorials now, but it's harder than it seems =/. Since no one really has made tutorials on them before, it's kinda like your figuring out the ways to teach it rather than repeating how people taught it to you. You don't only have to figure out the way to teach it, but how people can create their own variations of everything, which is pretty dang hard if you ask me. But yeah, I'm workin' on it XD.

About poi and glowstringing: I have a different perspective from you guys. To me, I'm never doing poi, I'm always glowstringing. I can do weaves/butterflies/flowers/isolations without a single wrap, catch, trace, and I'm still only glowstringing. I don't think the move you do chooses what type of art your doing, I think it requires two things, and two things only:

1) Glowsticks/strings. No matter what, you're not glowstringing in my eyes if your not using glowsticks/strings (this includes items used to emulate sticks.)

and

2) The mindset. If you're thinking you're a glowsticker rather than a poist, then you are infact a glowsticker. If you think you're a poist, then you're a poist, even if your using sticks (like Rev.)

To be honest, I really don't care about those who don't think they're glowstickers are here for poi. I mean it's cool to have them around, as people they are cool. But it's like someone trying to learn nunchuku coming onto glowsticking.com...

For the whole "the move defines the art" mentality... I don't see how that can work at all to me. Just look at all these other object manipulations that have the same moves as us. In glowstringing there are weaves, in poi there are weaves, in rope dart there are weave, in yoyo there are weaves, in all these other types of martial arts there are weaves. Wraps---> in yoyo there are wraps, in glowstringing there are wraps, in nunchuku there are wraps.... but it's not called nunchuku or glowstringing anymore, its all poi, right? Wrong.

controlling the strings and controlling your planes are different areas...
and if you're saying that poi is about being able to control the strings itself, then why not categorize it under something else that came before it such as yoyoing?
but yeah, you don't need to be able to control your planes when doing catches, it's as simple as just knowing when to catch the sticks...
but while you do such poi moves as a wallplane weave, you must control your plane in order to have the move set in that certain plane...

there really isn't a need for string manip tutorials since really if you think about it, it's more of creativity than of just copy someone else, entirely... such as when cleric posted his string manips tuts, people were pretty much just taking his stuff than oppose to learning how to experiment on their own and come across things that makes them unique...

i think there is enough moves now to totally separate the two, but the number of total number of people who do those exclusively is small. we need to increase this number with tutorials and such.

yeah, that'll be doeable...
hopefully, we can do some of it at the pre-edc meetup if so... (unless that's only planned for dvd)

First I'd just like to say, "holy bump of a thread batman!"
I like this thread, it's just interesting to see this come back up again. . . and now for a few quotes and my responses. . .

You don't see any stringers on here? I see a majority of stringers on this site. They might not be loud and posting all the time, but if we took a quick poll there are easily more stringers than freehanders that are on this site. As for the stringing section truning into a long help forum for poi moves, it's because people are not needing help with glowsticking ideas. Wraps are wraps, they don't need help knowing how to hit themselves with glowsticks while they're learning, because they're doing it enough on their own. Catches, manips, traces, and the sort don't get mentioned too often because it quickly turns into a 'I created this' sort of deal and people expect everyone else to site their sources if they ever use a manip made by anyone else. New people don't know what to ask or what to talk about so they simply latch onto something that they have questions about, and that more often than not is poi related because they don't know what to ask or how to ask about glowsticking moves.


To say that all poi looks pretty much the same to an extent is to say that all stringers look the same to an extent. In the poi world there is just as much diversity in the people that spin and how they spin as there is in the glowsticking community. People might look similar just like certain glowstickers look similar, they learn from each other, or they're newer and use similar basic moves. I will have to disagree with saying that in the poi world they look similar.

As for being exclusive that'll be hard. I see myself as a glowsticker but there is always that fun in spinning poi, and I know poist that go to parties and use glowsticks. To be completly exclusive and banning yourself from a realative to what you already do is sort of harsh and would be nothing that I will ever do.

I think that the hardest part about these ideas of trying to push glowsticking is that no one really knows how to talk about it. I've posted in a few dozen handles threads ideas and concepts about what I'm working on, yet no one posts back, no one wants to discuss. It's rarely a discussion on the forums about the new but instead it is usually a simple post of, "I'm working on this" everyone then just moves on and simply says to themselves, "Okay, they're working on that, good luck to them, I'll go over here and work on this."

I find that there's an issue in making so-called 'advanced glowstringing tutorials' because when stringers are that proficient, they will start to branch off into different areas of stringing and create their own combos. I don't think you can make an 'advanced tutorial', unless you want a lot of people to start copying off it and have us all look like the counterparts of poi-lookalikes.

All you can really do is make concept tutorials at that point and hope that people figure it out for themselves.

I think a lot of the members here, a lot of the new members, have been posting quite often and showing their videos, but not very many of them have been doing it long enough to create such a distinction between their glowstringing and their poi. So I think we should wait and see what happens instead of going on another GLOWSTRINGING > POI crusade-- I mean, gentle nudging

edit: I would have to say that Brian's post is something we should keep in mind

It appears more like the stirngers who signed up in the past are getting into other thans than being involved on the site. Besides, it is pretty much the same users that signs online on a daily basis. Which by my standards shows why there aren't many stringers on here. Also, the original discussion I was bringing involved the amount of glowstringers vs poists, not freehanders. Some people may be worn out and such but that doesn't mean that we limited ourselves on certain moves such as wraps can still be expanded upon.


Those certain moves help with experimenting our creativity such as finding different entries and exits, plus it was with TT who really done any of that crap with claiming moves... besides, doesn't poi deal with the same thing? as I can recall from HOP, whenever a vid was create, there were always members that mentions "oh hey, you must have took that off nick woolsey" or so and so...


Actually, that was what I was mentioning earlier, since the glowstringing forum is turning towards the poi aspects and pretty much learning the same moves than trying to break from the norms...


Yeah, it isn't always easy trying to explain concepts that have not been explained before. I'm sure you can get more people into handles if you posted some demonstration videos to see if anyone is interested... I think wes might have mentioned in the past that videos are most effective when trying to push certain things... I guess that's something we all have to work on...

i think as the bar gets raised higher with string manipulations, we should definitely make tutorials for almost all of them. those tutorials can be hosted on glowsticking.com

as for the DVD, i'm not really even thinking about the DVD at the moment, and no tutorial will EVER be held back for the DVD. this site should be the main focus, not a DVD.

it's so hard to teach string manipulations because it's like forcing somebody to teach them your style.. string manipulations are mainly combos created by that user incorporated in their routine.. it's something that's hard to break down and recreated to fit the learner's style.

Ideally if you had to make a tutorial on string manipulations, you could break down the manips so that instead of showing how to get in and out of the entire thing, you only demonstrate one concept...

But really this kind of discussion could be put in another thread, (making tutorials for stringing concepts, not glowstringing vs poi so much), anybody up for it?