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[KittehRaver]

Now I am a fan of a lot of genres of music, and one of my favorites is dubstep, along with gabber vocal and uplifting trance, and many others, and I have to ask, why do I always see some people at dubstep parties trying to pick a fight? I hardly think that was the basis of the genre.

I know it was derived from punk and other forms of rock, but I wasn't aware that moshing went with it. Can anyone help me out? How did it get such a bad vibe?

[Demo]

It was actually derived from dub/raggae.

But I digress, I understand what you are talking about. People are going to do what they are going to do. How does anything get a bad vibe? Things not being done in moderation. I don't mind a little moshing, but it can get pretty fucking ridiculous when there's like fifteen to twenty people doing it, outside of a metal/rock show, and those are fucking brutal.

So, what went wrong with dubstep? Nothing really, dubstep is as awesome as ever. It's just the crowd, and crowds change, just like everything. If you don't like moshing, prevent them from happening if not getting bigger, but don't ask where dubstep went wrong.

[KittehRaver]

Thank you demo, amazing reply as ever. My apologies for the misorigination, interweb research fail. And I guess what I meant by where did it go wrong wasn't really the genre but why the crowd turned so negative. And ot would seem you answered that as well. Thank you

[xbadkaraokex]

dub step is bascially the perfect storm its edm so you get all the mdmatards and the agressive low bassline gets all the douche bro-tards. I love dubstep but I often feel stupid by association because of the people who like it

edit: i guess i need to read before i post basically what demo said dubstep itself as music is fine

Edited by xbadkaraokex, 07 August 2011 - 11:03 PM.

[Lira]

I respect dub as a genre in its own right, even though (as you guys pretty much know by this point) I'm not a big fan of the music itself.

The thing is, it's aggressive. It's dirty. It's dark. It's slow enough that regular dancing isn't always the natural form of expression that goes with it (I mean, it's harder to pick a fight to 140 bpm tech trance which is also dirty, aggressive, and dark ) ... though really, really nasty hip-hop dancers can do amaaazing things to dubstep. But it draws a lot of people who channel aggression through the music. or, as someone basically once said, "you listen to [trance, in my case] and dance... I listen to [dub] to fuck people up."

I get the feeling a lot of people listen to it to amp themselves up orrrrrr rage harder. Obviously, not everyone is like this. It's a generalization. but does dub draw tons of people who just listen to it to make themselves feel more badass (because they aren't) and then overcompensate by trying to *act* badass by picking fights? yeeeeep.

[Monkeyslam]

I respect dub as a genre in its own right, even though (as you guys pretty much know by this point) I'm not a big fan of the music itself.

The thing is, it's aggressive. It's dirty. It's dark. It's slow enough that regular dancing isn't always the natural form of expression that goes with it (I mean, it's harder to pick a fight to 140 bpm tech trance which is also dirty, aggressive, and dark ) ... though really, really nasty hip-hop dancers can do amaaazing things to dubstep.  But it draws a lot of people who channel aggression through the music. or, as someone basically once said, "you listen to [trance, in my case] and dance... I listen to [dub] to fuck people up."

I get the feeling a lot of people listen to it to amp themselves up orrrrrr rage harder. Obviously, not everyone is like this.  It's a generalization. but does dub draw tons of people who just listen to it to make themselves feel more badass (because they aren't) and then overcompensate by trying to *act* badass by picking fights? yeeeeep.

Whew, and I thought this was just me.

I still cant totally get in to dubstep. Theres nothing wrong with the music, but I think you guys said it best when you referred to the the crowd or scene. Sad to see how people are using this as a medium to create violence.

[Noqturnal]

I am a fan of Dubstep because of tracks that have broken syncopated drum beats. I appreciate the complexity of the percussion as a musician. That aside, I believe Dubstep's roots lie in UK Garage style, "2-Step," and Breaks. I'd say the influence by Reggae/Dub is minimal in comparison. I seriously don't know where you got punk from. Haha. >.<

EDIT: 200th Post WOOOOOO

Edited by Nocturne, 08 August 2011 - 11:39 AM.

[hollow666]

lol peeps I knew were saying the same things about jungle/DNB 10-15 years ago.

[Lira]

lol peeps I knew were saying the same things about jungle/DNB 10-15 years ago.

yea, but scenes change. DnB has mellowed out somewhat. but right now, at this moment, the dub scene is still relatively young, and kind of a clusterfuck as it picks up mainstream support en masse. maybe in 10-15 years, if it doesn't fizzle out, the dub scene will mellow out a little too... but that time is NOT now.

@ Monkeyslam: hahaha you're not alone. It's kind of a running joke among some friends to try & find dub that I like-- not easy. It exists, but it's usually songs that dubstep purists complain isn't "real" dub. (I like Modestep. I hear people grumbling that it's too fluffy. eh.)

Edited by Lira, 08 August 2011 - 03:07 PM.

[hollow666]

yea, but scenes change. DnB has mellowed out somewhat. but right now, at this moment, the dub scene is still relatively young, and kind of a clusterfuck as it picks up mainstream support en masse. maybe in 10-15 years, if it doesn't fizzle out, the dub scene will mellow out a little too... but that time is NOT now.

@ Monkeyslam: hahaha you're not alone. It's kind of a running joke among some friends to try & find dub that I like-- not easy. It exists, but it's usually songs that dubstep purists complain isn't "real" dub. (I like Modestep. I hear people grumbling that it's too fluffy. eh.)

I agree that the DNB scene might have mellowed out but the music sure hasn't.. I can still find the same old aggressive/dirty/angry DNB that ain't clownstep.. It was never the music that was the problem to begin with it was the personalities of the people that were attracted to it and the group culture that formed around it. For me growing up all of the DNB head kiddies including myself vigirously hated on just about anything that wasn't DNB because we perceived it as not being as raw as the sound we liked. Even if we listened to other genres we got ridiclous in our defense of DNB. A lot of us just disliked the whole e-tard/mdma/candy kid culture and aggresively shunned it as much as possible. I still never saw anymore serious problems in the DNB scene then I did anywhere else. Kids and even adult idiots are gonna fight, talk shit, and do drugs no matter what music is playing in the background. Thankfully my experience of the DNB scene was not the scene that ALI G portrayed so well although I know that scene exists too lol .

Its not really DUBSTEP that is the problem... its the young nothing to lose devil may care kids that show up to parties to do drugs, hook up, and show off. Some of these kids aren't even 21 yet so they don't have the option to do the same tom foolery in a bar to hiphop. If you weren't spinning dubstep at most massives the same kids would be doing the same shit to electrohouse/progressive house/trance insert something else here if that was all that was available to them. Eventually they will grow up, mature, and either stop attending parties or stop acting like jack asses.

Sadfully the next group of miscreants will be right around the perfect age to replace them so it wont' matter. Always stays the same. By then like you said something new will be around so that will be the new "TROUBLED MUSIC GENRE".

[Aurastys]

It hit the mainstream really hard and brought in a nasty crowd :/
Most dub music is great, but I've also seen it in reference as 'troll' music because of how 'dirty' it is or something.
I'm hope the hype dies down but not the music.

[Lira]

@ hollow666, I totally agree. If you read into our replies, you'll notice that we're in agreement that it's not the music's fault, it's the fact that the people who come to it are channeling it in stupidiculous ways. I also agree that DnB as a genre hasn't mellowed out-- sorry for not being clear, I was referring to the scene/crowd more; I usually just use the genre name as a catchall for both the music & the crowd it draws.

[capsftw1]

Mainly, it became popular.

VERY popular.

This diluted the audience, filling it with a bunch of tapout-wearing douchebags. Musicians saw this, and catered to their liking. Creating "Bro-Step" which is a pretty fitting name.

There is still good dubstep out there occasionally, that doesn't have the same following as a lot of dubstep producers out there. Nero, for example, isn't too big with the whole bro-step crowd (at least where I'm from)

I see it dying down soon ish. Until then, we'll have to put up with douchebags.

[2sec0]

I havent been to a party in a while, * didnt even know what dubstep was back then*
but even with DnB it brought out all the angry dancers, stompers, krumpers, battlers. It just kinda goes with the music
add in some drinks and people trying to rep their crews = random fights